BRENDA "HAIR" STINEBAUGH - THE MAD MOUNTAIN QUAIL LADY
I've been back and forth whether to write a story about this bitch and just decided what the hell,I'll go for it. She's a quail breeder,more like a "quail keeper" from WallaWalla,Washington. She used to be a friend of mine but she was always kind of a moody,uptight person and has a little problem with the truth sometimes. That kind of bothered me and was always in the back of my head. A for instance would be when she met new people in the hobby or business one of the first things she told them was that she had Ocellated Quail. No one has those in this country and I don't think anyone ever has or will. What a way to make a first impression huh ? She got to be known as a shit stirrer after a while by some folks.
I got to know her maybe four years ago. I think she called or messaged me about Mountain Quail. We got to shooting the shit and our one common bond was our mutual hatred of The Three Golden Boys at the time,now four adding Matt Pitchford to the pack last year. She had a huge flock of Mountain Quail and a lot of questions about everything. Some she listened to my answers to, and some she didn't. I really shared a lot of knowledge with her over those years on everything from egg to chick,to adult. I gave every tip that I could on brooding,brooders,pen building,you name it... . She always seemed appreciative but didn't always follow instructions and failed quite often. A friend of mine who's a well known good old time breeder of around fifty years or so,sold her birds a bunch of times. It seemed nearly everything that he sold her died. This is a guy who sends perfect birds. I've traded back and forth with him for years and never had any problems. He sent her replacement birds a few times. She kept losing Mearns and Bensons,and what she didn't kill seemed to stay sick forever. Light in weight,humped up,ruffled feathers,lethargic... . I've sent her birds and they either died or didn't act right after she got them.
I've tried to spoon feed her,helping her build things like brooders and nest boxes and they never really came out too good. She spends big bucks on materials and has carpenters build her Mountain Quail enclosed buildings and also spends a lot of money on veterinarians for treating sick birds and doing necropsies each time one dies. She's a full time nurse with a good salary and the rest of her free time goes into her maybe hundred bird flock of Mountains. She claims to have never made a profit at this and I can see why. She sells eggs on ebay but her expenses far outweigh her income. She doesn't raise a whole lot so she doesn't send out a whole lot of birds.
We used to talk about the assholes in the business and their gyp prices. Not long before I had enough of her I saw her prices. As high as theirs !! Hypocrite. She seemed to change around a year ago when she talked to a woman also in Washington by the name of Brit Lund. Lund told her that I'm a mean guy with anger issues and was afraid of me. She told Brenda not to have anything to do with me because it makes her look bad where I'm known as the guy to stay away from. She was never the same since. She was friends with a guy that I hate with a passion,that Dan Turpin motherfucker from Indiana. He's got that page on Facebook called something like Critters Crossing 219.
One day I got into it on Facebook with the prick, It went on for a while and the halfwit was really getting wise,making things up,telling lies,calling names.... . She was right there watching the whole thing and never stood up for me once ! I noticed her all over his posts like she used to be on mine until that Lund bitch scared her off. One time she put a post on her page and this one must be way over my head and below my feet because I still don't know what in the hell they were talking about. It was when the mass hysteria of this coronavirus started in and people all over were hoarding toilet paper. Her post was about wiping her ass on $300 rabbits ! Like I said,I don't get it but the others sure loved it. Turpin and a few other assholes chimed right in with their suggestions of how to do it. Turpin said he could wipe his ass on the rabbit's back,then underneath on its belly. They were all loving that one and I guess he won the award of being the most efficient at it. I was disgusted. I commented to him,"Hey asshole !" She deleted it. I had it with her and washed my hands of her for good. I unfriended her on Facebook and she blocked me.
So now I'm hearing and seeing things about her from other people. She's got many personalities. She can be really charming,then be a snotty wiseass bitch. You never know what you're going to get with her. These screenshots show what I mean. Look at her attitude with a friend of mine (who blocked her ID because she knew I'd probably write a post😂). Kinda snotty and prickish don't you think ? She's the one with the picture of the pair of Mearns Quail. My friend is the one with the questions and comments in the blue boxes.
Another thing that makes me wonder is that she said there that her original Mearns stock came from Portland,Oregon,and Mesa,Arizona. Hmmm.... Could be but I don't know of any breeders from there and I know mostly everyone who has them. The last I knew she had one remaining surviving pair from me,and another bird in a separate pen and all they did was pace back and forth all day long. Says her fertility is excellent !😂 How come she doesn't hatch them and sell the adults for huge Ohio Joe prices then ? ! It's hard to believe anything that someone says when they're a fibber. Hard to know whether she's telling the truth or not. I think she's an Ohio Joe wannabe. Anyway,another prick added to my growing shit list ! She oughta just hang this shit up and get a new hobby.
Here we go again. There are four or five groups on Facebook with this name. This particular one has a picture of two Silkie chickens as it's group cover photo. This group is just as miserable as the others like it.
Facebook is strange as far as how things work or don't work. In my case they don't work like they should. I clicked off of all of those groups quite a while back,but that one along with two quail "dummy sites",as I refer them to,still show notifications in my news feed even with me clicking."leave group" and "unfollow group". Most of the time I don't even look when a notification appears because it's either maddening or idiotic,or both.
A few days ago I did happen to check one out and it was about a well known fruitcake in the business,or hobby to her,by the name of Shanna Peters Cook. Pretty much everybody out there has dealt with her at one time or another. This was yet another review of her being a "Bad Egg". People were talking about their experiences with her. I told about mine. Anyway,everybody agreed with me except for always that one snowflake,but she was overruled by the majority.
So I thought it would be a good time to throw a post up. I wrote something like,"If you want to find out about who some more nuts are,check out my website under the Stories category. I posted the link to it. I got some likes and laughs not long afterward,but a while later I got a comment from an Amy Duggin. This chick is the queen of snowflakes but can also be a huge snotty prick. She bitched me out on there,almost,or maybe even in tears from reading some of the stories of my 100% TRUE experiences with these filthy scumbags. She said that I'm a horrible writer and use terrible grammar and punctuation. She did seem quite articulate herself,with a really sophisticated vocabulary like you'd picture an author,a college professor,an avid reader,or just some shitbag lawyer. She said that I ramble on and on but don't get anywhere. For someone so intelligent,you'd think that she'd be plenty capable of understanding my writing. About everybody else does.
She was so upset she said that she couldn't read the parts in some of the posts about how I explained how I'd like to beat the shit out of certain scums. It was too harsh for her. So I told her to toughen up and grow a set of balls,and called her a snowflake. Then she started to whine and cry some more,trying to tell me how to conduct myself in life and all kinds of horseshit like that. I went at her for the last time and told her that maybe that's how things work in her little LaLa Land full of unicorns,bunnies,and rainbows,but in the real world people get their asses kicked for pulling the kind of shit that these assholes have on me and they deserve a good old fashioned ass whoopin. In the meantime I called her a bitch and to mind her own business. She didn't come back for more.
But the pot started to simmer. Another bitch came on and started wising off to me. I don't take that kind of nonsense so I gave it right back, Then another,and another ! Before you know it I had around fifty chicks,one big faggot,and a mouthy redneck punk all over my ass ! They were wising off,telling jokes,making fun,telling me how to behave and act. Not a single one made a bit of sense.I had an answer for as many as I could keep up the typing for. It does NO good with this crowd. They are all one. It's a clique,but even more like a goddamn cult !
There was a girl who said that she's 33 and can kick my ass because she was in the service in combat twice,and has a black belt in karate.😂. Of course I told her that she's insane. There's not a woman on this planet that could take me. Any kind of punch or kick that she could throw I'd see coming a mile away. I'd let her hit me on purpose so I could just smile. She wouldn't have the power to knock the cap off my head. Then this asshole redneck,well I guess more of a sophisticated redneck you could say,started in wising off,saying how easy it would be for him to kick my ass. I say a "sophisticated redneck" because in the picture of them all,they had a row of shiny new trucks and were dressed like students,but still all had bottles of Bud Light and shit eatin' smirks on their faces. These are the kind of lowlifes that I'd like to walk down the line of them,smashing their faces all to pieces,breaking their noses,eye sockets,jaws.knocking their teeth down their throats.... . Nothing but a bunch of twenty something year old punks that deserve a bad beating. Anybody who doesn't get this isn't a regular guy. Where I come from that's how it's done. These people must all have lived sheltered little lives. If you go to school,live out in the country,or in the rough part of town,this is how we take care of things.
So yeah,they schooled up on me like sharks in a matter of a few minutes and then cried to administrator and was kicked off. Finally !! I've been wanting off for a couple years at least !😂 But later in the day I got an e mail from a really ignorant piece of white trash by the name of Shelly Cook,who's the #1 flunky of Queen Amy. She was all fired up,mad dog mean,and told me that I'm finished in this business !!!!! I'm batshit crazy and everybody knows it !!!!! I'm an ugly old man and a pervert !!!!! Then she told me to find Jesus but right after that she had a couple of screenshots of me with my rabbit and she drew pictures of cocks in my mouth ! Really religious herself,huh ? We went back and forth. I shouldn't even waste my breath on this simpleton but she put on three more screenshots of some of the assholes from that group talking to each other. This little cowardly lying worm of a young man by the name of Arley Edwards who said in his text that he's bought from me on several occasions but will NEVER again ! Then he said they should report me to here and there..... . I've never sold that guy anything. I've never even heard of him ! I sent him a message on messenger asking him why he lies like that. No reply of course. Then of course little snowflake Amy,saying I should be reported and that same kind of shit. Then some fuckin bitch by the name of Elizabeth Barr,and another one called Mellissa Block had things to add. That was all I saw from those screenshots but I'm sure there's one hell of a lot more where that came from. These bitches are on a witch hunt for anything that they can find on me. They scrolled MILES back through my Facebook timeline only to find a few comments that I made on a tits and ass group. Yes. Guys like that stuff.👍😀 So now I'm a pervert too !😂😂 I think about every guy that I know checks that stuff out and / or belongs to one or more of those groups. They're even better on Twitter !😀
So every time I came in the house from outside working I checked my e mails. There she was again. Same old thing - I'm finished in this business - ruined !!!!! Everybody out there knows me and that I'm batshit crazy !!!!..... same old stuff over and over. Each time I'd play with her,and each time she had less and less to say. I embarrassed her. I picked her apart. I dissected her. Now she knows that she's mildly retarded and her spelling and grammar is that of a really young kid. She actually told me that I'm a newbie at raising quail !😂 She spelled it,"newb". She said that she's now reporting me for threatening and sexual harassment. I guess that's because I called her "Sugartits". I thanked her for all of the publicity because I just got a few more likes and followers and another three pair of Mearns spoken for. Queen Amy must be really disappointed in her little flunky.😀
TWO NEW ASSHOLES TO ADD TO MY GROWING SHIT LIST The first one's name is Britt Lund,a snowflake girl from Washington state who apparently tells people not to buy from me because I have "anger issues". I never had any bad dealings or even words with her. She reads my posts about the well known shysters in the business,along with a few other shitbags and halfwits. I guess it hurts her little super sensitive feelings of how I expose and bash these well known scums. I say well known.They are fairly well known but still not by enough people. I get plenty of gutless folks come crying to me after getting stung for big bucks by them,some even after I warned to steer clear. They don't have the balls to write a post like I do. If a lot more people had a full set of balls,they'd expose them on their pages and in various groups,and they'd all be out of business by now. So,little Britt the Twit,because of wusses like you there are people getting screwed royally all over this country on eggs and birds,and even across the pond on hatching eggs that these guys know damn well won't be any good by the time they get there. A lot of people are angry. I'm the voice for them all. Now go have a good cry !😂
So that was little Britt the Twit,the next one we'll call Dan the Man. He's from Indiana and has a Facebook page called Critters' Crossing or something along that line. It's a hobby farm. He has quite a variety of animals and birds and it is actually a really nice place.
I got to know him just a few years ago,seeing I've only had that goddamn Facebook since 2016. I briefly talked with him maybe two or three times over that period. He seemed like a pretty good guy. One time he messaged me about sending some good money to Ohio for some Mearns eggs and never received them. He didn't remember for sure who the guy was and so that piece of filth from Cleveland Quail came to mind,but then as we got talking a bit,he said the guy was from Xenia,Ohio,not Cleveland. I told him right then and there that it was Norman Bradshaw who pulled that on him.Norman was a fly by nighter,in and out of the business in three years' time,while screwing half the people that he dealt with. Filthy eggs,duds,or never sending any at all after taking peoples' money. He was an Ebay hustler.
Dan said he doesn't take that kind of shit and was going after the guy to get his money from him,or Ebay,or whoever it was,I don't remember all the little details. I do remember some months later that talking to him again,I asked him if he ever got the guy. He said no. I talked to him on one of my posts since then about shooting dogs that come on our property after our critters. That was almost a year ago.
Then here's the real ass kicker. He doesn't seem to remember this but he made me mad one time. Someone,somewhere put up a post of a really grainy,blurry picture of three or four quail in the distance and asked which type they were. A friend of mine,and another man right away said that they were Valley Quail. I took a quick look and said the same thing. Someone else got on and said that they looked like some kind of hybrid. So I looked really close. I saw on one,a white throat,and there looked to be wider white facial stripes than on a Valley. So I said that it may be possible that they're a Bobwhite / Valley cross.. Big Dan jumped right on to correct me and tell ME what a Valley Quail looks like. He said they have white stripes on the face ! Well no fuckin shit,asshole ! As if I don't know what a Valley Quail looks like !! I've only had a few hundred or better. Imagine talking to ME like that ? ! I said to myself right there,"Man,what a dick !!". I didn't have any use for him after that. I unfriended him on Facebook right there in an instant.
So last October I believe it was,a guy that I've spoken to before put a post up on one of the more sophisticated Facebook groups,called,Quail,Partridge,Grouse,and Francolin Breeders,or something along that line. This isn't one of the dummy sites,but one of the better groups with some of the better breeders on there,a lot of them real pompous pricks.Real snot nosed assholes that in person any regular guy would like to nail in the solar plexus hard and knock the wind out of them so bad that they don't get up for an hour. There are a lot of dummies on there too.
So the guy who wrote the post wrote it to complain about some Mearns hatching eggs that he overpaid for,of course,from Ohio Joe. I think there were two fertile ones out of ten or twelve eggs,both died along the way. He showed a picture of one of the dead developing chicks. It had a badly crossed bill. He went on to say something about the eggs were from inbred stock....etc....,which is true,but a few of those assholes actually said it was in the incubation so it was probably his own fault. I stuck up for the guy along with a few others who said he's a crook and sells a lot of crippled shit. Quite a few different comments from a bunch of people on that post.
So Big Man Dan hops on that post saying something about it. I just replied with,"Sounds like a Norman Bradshaw move",a subtle reminder that it wasn't Ohio Joe that stung him. No reply - until two months later,I get a,"What ???" from him,and then I don't remember exactly who said what to who,but it sounded to me like he was confused as to what I was talking about,some other guy jumped in,then Big Man's son came on and said,"So everybody's a liar ?". I said that I sure as hell aren't lying. That was the last comment on the post.I called him an old fuddydud in a post that I wrote on my Facebook page later on. I never mentioned his name though. He jumped on my post asking why I called him that. He said he agreed with me 100 percent and was trying to back me up,and his son was too. It sure didn't look like that to me !! I took it as though he was calling me a liar.
So shit heated up and I reminded him of the time that he told me what a Valley Quail looks like. Of course he said he never did that and I have the wrong guy,then gave me the middle finger emoji. That's when I could feel that wave of heat rush from my feet all through my body,all the way to my head ! White hot !! If that old bastard was standing in front of me he'd be on his ass before he even saw me make a fist !
Then we started to go back and forth. That's when I,and maybe 1000 followers,if they have any common sense,saw how goddamn ignorant he is.He was calling me things like,little man,pip squeak,egomaniac,narcissist,junior,little boy..... . Then he said my brains are scrambled from bouncing around in the waves for all of the years lobstering. He called me a backwoods hick,a hillbilly,a mama's boy,ugly,with a face that only a mother could love.( If you saw this asshole's picture you'd see an old ugly gray fuck with a shit eating smirk always on his face,a little trimmed landing strip mustache,and what look to be dentures ) He kept calling me lonely and pathetic. Where the fuck did he come up with that ? !! He then said that I was complaining that none of the girls on the dating sites want anything to do with me !. I never said such a thing. I made a comment on Facebook that how dating sites are a joke because they show pictures of all hot models,but in reality,they're all full of fat,ugly chicks with other men's kids,and covered in tattoos.
Yeah,he conjured up a lot of lies. Another was a good one !😂 He said that all the people that I've written about are good people and I'm the one that lies about them !!! WOW !!!! Okay Big Man,yeah,The Four Golden Boys are quality,first class,honest guys !!😂 He said that I'm the liar and I'm full of hate,with a pathetic,unhappy life ! (It's true about hating the shitbags that I write about 😀),but other than that I'm pretty damn contented. Even better than that one was saying that I only think that I'm in shape,but I'm just lying to myself,and only really in "backwoods shape" !😂 He said I've got only little boy muscles and that I should get some real muscles by feeding real animals !!😂😂 That must be the most stupid one of them all !!!
Everything was ."backwoods hick" all through the comments. Jesus,I have woods on my property.I assume he does too. We have farms,moron ! We don't live in the city !!! And another thing,for a "backwoods hick",at least I can use at least some proper grammar,spelling,and punctuation ! You ought to see his !😂
So yeah everybody - Dan Turpin from Indiana,a true piece of shit who's goddamn lucky that he doesn't live around here ! Oh yeah,that too ! He kept calling me a keyboard warrior !! I'm the one who offered him big bucks to put his money where his mouth is. I offered him all expenses to get here and a $10,000 bet that he wouldn't last 30 seconds with me. He's a little punk. I'd whip fifty Dan Turpins in the primes of their lives. And of course,he changed the subject to that one and just wised off like a little high school punk some more.😂 Goddamn maggot.
Well here's another post with me bashing someone !
This person does it a lot more than I do but only for the wrong reasons. I'll bet a lot of you on Facebook are all too familiar with this piece of white trash who seems to be on there almost 24 / 7,on every kind of bird page there is,whether it be quail,pheasants,partridge,ducks,chickens..... .
She trolls all of what I call "The Dummy Sites" all day long,and contacts a lot of people,always wanting this,and wanting that,but almost never has any money to buy it.
Her name is Nichole Brashears. Ring a bell ?😀
It seems like she's been at this shit for at least five years. She pesters the hell out of everybody who sells hatching eggs and birds. She's also a regular on the four Facebook Good Egg,Bad Egg groups,slamming the hell out of people if things don't go her way. This is one of the types who'll beg for a discount from a backyard slum farm breeder,then when all six of her eggs don't hatch,she'll drag the person's name through the mud.
She's not only pestered me for a few years,but also bothered the hell of some breeder friends of mine. She wants,wants,and wants. She'll message and call the person over and over to hold things for her on a layaway or even a goddamn payment plan ! Then when the time comes around to ship the birds she either never gets back to the person or asks for a discount.
For instance,last year I raised a lot of Benson Quail. There was a shortage of them in this country and the orders were piling up fast. I had around a hundred birds. All spring and summer she either called or messaged me about them. When it was time to ship,she took a while to respond. I was sending out a lot of them by that point and had no trouble selling the rest. She actually had the nerve to call me on the phone and ask me if I could do better on my price just because her husband lost his job !! No pride,no shame. Jesus I'd NEVER ask someone something so ridiculous ! I said no. Anybody normal should be embarrassed to death to ask someone that.
This year it was Mearns. Well by now I couldn't take her serious at all,so everything was taken with a grain of salt. She asked me about them all year long. I didn't hear from her in quite a while. I didn't end up with a super year for Mearns and what I raised was all spoken for by serious customers only,pretty much all breeder friends of mine.
So last week I got a message from her on Facebook saying something along the line of,"Okay,I have the money for that pair of Mearns you said you have for me !". I got mad and blocked her. right away. Instantly my phone started ringing. I let the answering machine get it. She'd just hang up and call again . The phone must have rang close to fifty times before she finally left a message. Then she went right back to calling some more. The only reason I didn't want to take the call is because of my temper. Any normal person would take the hint after maybe a couple tries ! It got to the point where I had to unplug the phone for the night. Persistent little bitch ! Never called back the next day, What a relief !
So with me blocking her,I couldn't see anything of hers on Facebook,not that I look at any of the dummy sites anymore,but a friend told me that she gave a great review to "Ohio Joe",the biggest crook in the quail business,hands down,for his wonderful pair of "Guaranteed Unrelated" breeders !😂😂 This is the guy whose birds are so badly inbred that he sells a lot of cripples and dud eggs to suckers for way over the going price. He has the website called Clevelandquail. Total piece of shit. You can scroll back and read my post on him. I think it may be the first one on here.
Anyway,my friend told her that she just bought a bunch of shit from a crook. She argued with her and says he's just great !😱 Imagine knocking everybody else after she's the one causing the problems,yet praising the biggest shitbag there is ? !
So for all of you people who haven't had a taste of this retard,take my advice and run if she ever contacts you !
I pretty much have my mind made up. Weighing all the good and the bad,I've decided to unload a lot of birds and pretty much make it an enjoyable hobby again
I've written on the subject before about the new generation of Facebook bird "breeders",most just bird keepers,and basically how most have ruined the hobby and ruined the business.
Sure there's plenty of market for everything that I raise,but I'll leave it to the Four Golden Boys from now on. They all claim to be so much better than I am,so for those of you who haven't dealt with them I'll let you find out for yourself.
#1 is Ohio Joe who has the website called clevelandquail.com . The biggest liar and piece of shit that I've ever met in this business. A true total bag of fuckin shit through and through. A filthy con man with shyster prices. The word "liar" is just not strong enough to describe this asshole. This son of a whore doesn't have one decent bone in his entire body. He's poison through and through. You'll see on my website that I wrote a post about him quite a while back. Well since then he's pulled one hell of a lot more on me under different aliases,the latest,"Joe Corn",and before that,"Ivan Gelo". The fucker spreads lies all over Christ's creation about me,one being that my low prices reflect the inferior quality of my birds. The prick got all of his stock from me !!!
If you look at his website,it's all lies. Not every paragraph,not every sentence,but every goddamn word is a fuckin lie ! Things like he's been doing this for twenty years...etc.... . The first quail he ever had was in 2015. He was completely clueless on how to raise them. I helped him get started,sold him around 300 Mearns eggs that summer. He hatched and raised a shitload,and brokered the rest of my eggs on Ebay for big bucks without telling me. I had to find out by a woman calling me,mad at me because the names of the hens on my eggs matched his. She had it the other way around. I wasn't the broker. It was him. That's when I washed my hands of him.
So if you keep reading the "About Me" section on his site,another lie is that he'll be glad to give his customers recommendations on products for the birds,and advice on them because of how much he cares about his customers,and his love for the birds. This is the same asshole who's said to me probably five or six times over the last few years,"Fuck the people ! I ain't helping anybody. You're stupid to do it. You're only creating competition." And that's just how he is when people call him on the phone ,e mail,or text him. Very brief.One word answers,then basically,"Gimme your money,I'll send you the birds,bye."
More lies are the pictures he shows. Very deceiving. For the past three years he has a picture of a hand with a Mearns Quail in it. He NEVER shows videos or tours of his place. He shows a GQF automatic turner full of Bobwhite eggs to fool people into believing they're Mearns and that he has a huge breeder flock that can crank out settings of 120 at a time. The guy operates out of a garage in a little suburban residential neighborhood with his Mearns and Mountains artificially lit in his garage in little cubicles,basically quail jails. It's basically a puppy mill for quail. He had a post someone showed me on a whole bunch of the Facebook "dummy groups" of him saying how all his birds are "on fire" laying like crazy and he's hatching a shitload of birds. A friend of mine asked him for a picture of the brooders with all the chicks. He showed a handful of eggs and one Benson chick in his other hand. Deceiving,but like I said,there's a sucker born every second,and he's the bottom feeder who preys on them People are so easily fooled. What gets me even still is how in the hell he's not out of business though. I've heard nothing but negative things about him from a ton of people. People actually hate the guy as much as I do but other bird people aren't like me. They don't have the balls to spread the word,therefore people are still being burned every day by this con man.
Number two on my shit list is a tie between Keith Zastrow of "Keith's Quail" ( along with his partner in crime over the four years that they've had a few quail,Matt Pitchford from Louisiana. ),then number three, Derek Wagner from Ellenton Florida.
I'll start with "Bonnie and Clyde",Keith and his right hand man,Matt. For a few years I thought that Matt was actually a pretty good guy but little by little I could see that he's really just fishing for Keith every time he'd e mail me. A few friends of mine always said to me that they don't like how he plays both sides and are glad that they never had anything to do with him and by helping out a crook,just makes him one too. I knew where they were coming from but I didn't listen because every time I talked to him he'd be disgusted with Keith for different reasons,such as his business practices,and also how he's the most impatient guy he's ever met,just like I found out right away. He was always disgusted with him about how he always calls him for advice,then when he'd give him some,he'd argue with him and question the hell out of him,the exact same things he did to me.
Every now and then I'd ask Matt why the hell he has anything to do with him and tell him about all of the shit he's pulled on people,which I hear on a monthly basis from folks all over. Matt would always respond with something along the line of he feels sorry for him and that he was probably picked on in school and his parents made him join the military to try to make a man out of him. Then he'd go on to say that Keith's walking a fine line with him and one false move he's going to cut him off for good. We'd actually make fun of him a lot. He told me how pussy whipped Keith is by his wife. She absolutely hates his hobby and gets mad when he spends $20 on a bag of grain. She wears the pants in the family and won't let him build a grow out pen,which is why he advertises started Mountain Quail at five weeks old,right out of the brooder for big bucks,shipped in the July heat. Then when the naive people who buy them have them all show up dead,or die soon after,he blames it all on the customer and won't make good. Check it out everybody who's never seen it,"Keith's Quail" on Facebook. Kind of Mickey Mouse but idiots suck it right up. He's been at it since 2016,failed miserably the first year with me holding his hand every step of the way,then the next year has that page offering."Professional Advice From A Licensed Breeder","Desert Storm Vet"," College Degree.".
Anyway I've been going back and forth with the guy ever since. One day he's calling me every name in the book,and a week later,asking me to ship him some lobsters,or information on my pet rabbits. He's a mental case,yet a ton of Mickey Mouse naive amateurs think that he's the bomb. He has twice the Facebook followers than I do. All from another Mickey Mouse setup with the same old videos of his few Mearns in Ohio Joe like quail jails in his garage. My outfit puts his to shame a thousand times over but dummies fall for that bullshit every time. Are people blind ? ! Can't they take one look at some of the farm tours,posts,and pictures on my page,then take one look at his,then laugh their asses off ? Nope. They go for a con man instead. Absolutely disgusting.
So anyway about his right hand man,Pitchford. He has a Instagram site called Quail Enthusiasts with around a hundred followers,mostly small scale hobby folks with a few Pharaohs or Buttons who think he's another quail god too. Anyway I had that in the back of my head for quite some time about him playing me. One day last April,after not hearing from him for two or three weeks,I got an e mail from him that said,"Man you must be going nuts with no Mountain eggs by now ?" Well how did he know that ? He was just fishing for his buddy. Another time he told a man that I know that Keith's a pretty good guy but just misunderstood by the old time breeders. Always defending the guy and sticking up for him. He even wrote Keith's instruction sheet that he puts in with the hatching eggs that he sends out for him. All of this "Professional Advice",pretty much comes from Matt.. He even told Keith one time that I don't like competition. This was a few years ago. I never even thought about it that way. I never even thought of it as competition then. And as of now,I guess I could call it competition but I don't like what's out there for this new competition. These scums.
He and Keith are in bed together in this shit and by then I knew it I wrote a post about it not that long ago on my Facebook page. Immediately I got an e mail from him. He was mad as hell. He said It's pathetic that I put that video of me working out on the heavybag and speedbag a couple years ago. He says he "knocks out pansies like me out with one punch"😂😂😂😂 !!! I e mailed him back. We got into it. I told him he's a two faced rat and Keith's asswiper flunky. He says I should get professional help like a friend of his did so I can function in mainstream society !! Jesus I get along with just about everybody except a bunch of shitbag bird people !!!
As far as kicking my ass goes,I'd bet my house and my farm on it that he'd quit or get knocked out cold within thirty seconds. A old,soft,gray haired,paunchy,50 something year old guy who's a photographer and a store clerk !!!😂😂 Going up against a lobster fisherman and a boxer😂 !! He's the one who needs the crazy pills !!! Holy shit. He's a little fuckin sissy. I saw the pictures on his site of him wearing his little shorts and sandals😂😂😂 !!! At best he was a high school football player or on the wrestling team forty years ago !!😂😂 Imagine him trying to step in and grab me. He'd run right into a missile attack. He doesn't know how to punch of course. He'd try to come in straight forward,squared up and telegraph a wide barnyard swing or two,which I'd see coming a mile away. I'd toy with the old punk. I'd let him do it a few times while I circle to the left and right,making him miss by a mile. By then he'd be so winded,he'd keel over on his own !!😂😂😂 Another keyboard warrior from 1500 miles away. He'd shit his duds if I ever stepped toward him in person. Man would I love to get the chance to tear his fuckin two faced head off ! He also said if I ever mention his name that he'll," Ruin Me In This Business" !!😂😂😂😂
As far as Wagner goes,if you haven't already,read my post on here about him,. A complete piece of fuckin filth to the max !!! Oh and go back to the post called,"The Pros And Cons Of Selling Hatching Eggs". The one I described as the nut from Michigan is Keith,and believe me,that was just the tip of the iceberg.That was written a few years ago.
So those are The Four Golden Boys and there are many more crawling up out of the sewer all the time now. Facebookers and E bayers. And most of the people on those Good Egg,Bad Egg sites are trash too,especially the one who runs one of them,Kari Peterson,a kunt with a kapital K !!!😂😂
The good old hobbiests are the last of a dying breed.. I'm going to keep a few of my favorite species from now on and just trade back and forth with them,sell a few eggs just to pay for my expenses,only to people who are capable of hatching,understand that the Post Office can ruin them and it's not my fault,and expect free replacements. Also won't sell to the kind of person who expects twelve chicks out of twelve eggs and badmouths people all over the Good Egg,Bad Egg sites if they don't get that.
Anyway,it's a good decision by me. I can't take it anymore. Yes the scums have won out !😂😂😂 They rid me from the business !!😂😂😂 Perfectly fine with me. I'll like it better being able to enjoy it again. And I don't need to do it. I have a business,own everything,and have some real money in the bank. I'm set and it's a good feeling.😀👍
Derek Wagner's always asking me to show some proof over and over of the shit he pulls on me. See what he put on Softbills for people to see ?
The Post From The Other Day😬😱
Well that one caused a shitstorm ! I didn't intend for it to go like that at all.I just wrote an update on what's going on here at the farm and a couple of paragraphs of how I decided to wash my hands of a two faced rat fink who's in cahoots with probably the biggest thorn in my ass since I got a computer in 2016. I didn't even mention names but they sure knew who they were !
I came in from working on my last few nest boxes out in the garage to grab a bite to eat and check my e mails. The rat fink had a long e mail telling me off. He's around my age and a good ol' boy from the south but thinks he's a man of wisdom,integrity,morals,and all of those kinds of good values and traits.
In the post from the other day I accused him of a couple of minor things that by today's chewing each other out,I don't even know what to believe. See,these guys have played with me like that for a few years now. The rat fink is like a "go between" between me and the nutjob. He chimed in on the conversation too,mouthing off in his usual cocky way. They were both taking turns,the rat telling me how to behave and conduct myself in society,and the nut just lying and wising off. Of course I gave it right back and then some. I have a temper for sure. I always had one but later in life I've gotten more fed up with this kind of trash.
So the rat fink informed me that I'm known now as the "madman of the business",and the guy to stay away from. He says that a shitpot of people don't want to buy birds from me because they think I'll give them a hard time,cause trouble,and drama.... . He claimed that even today that he sold some quail to a guy who claimed that he's leaving Facebook because of me !😂 He said that the guy told him that I make him sick ! I don't know how much truth there is to that one because you can't believe half of what these two clowns say. Hell,one of them has a fraudulent Facebook page with a thousand followers,all conned into believing he's an old time rare quail breeder for many years,who's raised hundreds and hundreds of Mountain and Mearns Quail. Like I told him today - he's a bottom feeder,preying on all of the people on the newbie and dummy sites who've never seen these varieties before. He comes on with a big line of bullshit about the birds with posts at least every other day,basically the same videos of his garage setup,with his few Mearns pairs in small cubicles,and the flock of a dozen overcrowded Mountains in a pigeon setup. If you know nothing about quail he'll sound like the book of knowledge.
I will say right now that a lot of people are NUMB ! How can someone look at that Mickey Mouse setup,then take a look at my actual farm that's actually OUTDOORS,with neat rows of good sized pens,videos and pictures of my homemade energy efficient brooders,my grow out pens,breeding pens,variety and numbers of birds being raised....,and can't see any difference ? !!! It's day and night ! I know one hell of a lot of people that do but there are so many that I don't know how their minds work.
So the rat fink went on and on telling me that I need professional help and should see a shrink and get medication ! This was because I told the bastards that they sure wouldn't dare to talk to me like they do in person. They're all keyboard tough guys from hundreds of miles away. And people - YES ! - I'm a regular guy who would love to kick their asses and have told them so. The nut just kept laughing and making wise cracks,and Mr. Wisdom told me that I'm all talk and act like a 13 year old kid going through puberty ! He said that people like me are pansies and one good clean punch from him would knock me out cold !!
I'll explain about myself to all the folks who read this post. I'm not all quail. It's my second business. My main one is a lobster fisherman.You can not be a soft wimp to do that ! My only sport is boxing. I love it. I live and breathe it. Yes I'm an avid fight fan and follower of the sport but I used to train and spar when I was a kid and hold my own with good amateurs and some pros up in the city of Lewiston. I learned the game there and from years of studying the sport and the techniques of some of the great fighters over the last seven decades. I do ballbusting work all summer and fall and during the off season I'm back in my gym,training like a fiend with rounds and rounds on the heavybag,speedbag,jump rope,slant board for sit ups. I love not just to keep in shape but I like to be in better physical condition than a 25 year old athlete in his prime. I never had a smoke,a drop of alcohol,or any kind of drug in my life. My body is my temple. I take pride bigtime. I've got as much stamina as I did when I was young. I haven't even lost my hand speed. Bragging,yes,I guess so. I don't want to come off as a guy who's in love with himself but that's quite an accomplishment I've gotta say. So to have a couple of middle aged (my age actually) soft,out of shape,white collar boys mouth off like that and say that they can beat me up is nuts ! I guarantee that neither of them could pick up a jumprope and make more than three skips without tripping up. If they tried a few more times,they'd be so out of breath,and their shoulders and calves would be burning so bad that they wouldn't even be able to crawl out of bed the next day. The same thing with a heavybag. No clue how to punch or put together any combinations. No footwork or head movement. No stamina. Way too ill coordinated to hit a speedbag,and their arms and shoulders are too out of shape to even try. If these guys tried 10 situps,I'll bet it would be a struggle. I do 200 on a slant board,which makes them twice as hard. I have abs of steel. I'm back up to 15 rounds jumping rope and not even breathing hard. Ten rounds on the heavybag,then four on the speedbag right after. I train four nights a week. For those of you who don't know what a round is in boxing,it's three minutes,with a minute rest in between rounds. The point is guys - no you can't take me,not even remotely close,so don't make yourselves sound foolish.
Now on to address the issue of me being a madman and a guy who causes drama..... . Not at all. I get along with everyone until they cross me. I don't like cheapskates. I don't like shysters. I don't like a wiseass. I hate a liar. I do not like two faced people who play both sides against two people . I very rarely got into it with anybody until I got a computer and Facebook in 2016. I wrote about this recently but I'll say it again to remind some people with short memories.
Age of the internet brought out an entire different caliber of people. ebay hustlers,Facebook dummy sites and the bottom feeders that take advantage of the folks on them. Bird brokers who some don't even own a bird but will buy up stuff here and there for little or nothing,then sell it for over 100% profit. Then your just plain ignorant trash people that are all over the dummy sites and the Good Egg / Bad Egg sites. I have dealt with the bottom of the barrel there. These people are beyond nothing. Shit on a sneaker. Trouble making trolls looking to pick fights on there because they have nothing better to do. Yes I've got into it with the shitbags too. I've got quite a few stories there.
I've made probably a dozen enemies since 2016. I've written about some of them here and on my Facebook page in the past. One thing that I can not understand for the life of me is how some people are supposedly so scared of me. If they actually READ and COMPREHEND my posts about these assholes then they ought to understand why I talk about them the way that I do. If you can't understand what I'm writing,then you should go back to grammar school and enroll in a special ed class. What I do is tell who they are,and tell all about the shit that they pulled on me and other people. What the hell is so hard to understand about that ? !! Are the offended people little super sensitive soft little snowflake wimps ? ! Are they little churchies who've never heard a swear word ? !! Holy shit people,grow some balls and toughen up !!
Plenty of folks like what I do. They say they like my candidness. Those are regular folks,not wimps. I've saved people a lot of money and grief by steering them away from the crooks. Some already got stung by them and said they wish they found out about me first. Some I warned and they didn't listen. Most came back and told me about the screwing they got. I've said,"I told ya so" a lot !
So people - if this bullshit is all true,don't listen to those goddamn liars. I have a great reputation and there are a few that are lying to anyone who'll listen to try to ruin it. I've been at this a lot longer than these guys. I've shipped birds all over the country for in the ballpark of twenty years. I still get business from people from the old Game Bird Gazette days and through recommendations from customers. I sell out every year whether I raise 100 or 1000. I sell for the lowest prices in the country,unlike these overnight experts who are almost twice my cost. They're just greedy crooks.
People sure as hell don't have to worry or be afraid to buy from me. If you're not a pushy prick with a lousy personality,a cheapskate,or an idiot,then we'll never have any trouble.😀
Well it's been about a couple weeks without Facebook and I don't miss it at all. People can still see my page,Mainely-Quail there and that has all the contact info for people to go to my website or check out some new and old videos on YouTube. I have no way of telling how many are watching my website but I do see how many views my YouTube videos get. It's surprising that us breeders of rare exotic quail just get a tiny fraction of the views that the coturnix breeders get. They get thousands and thousands and some of us only get a small handful. I guess there are way more meat and egg breeders than there are folks interested in keeping the rarer breeds. I've looked at some of theirs. Some are very professional.some not too bad,but some are terrible beyond belief. Some,actually a lot of them, make the people on the Facebook "dummy sites" look like experts,and what's worse is that in the comments,people are jumping up and down congratulating and praising them for their knowledge of raising quail !!!! You oughtta see some of the shit people think is just great !!!
I'm seeing so many quail way overcrowded in little tiny wire quail jails with barely enough room to change their minds. They're crawling over each other because there's not enough floor space to walk.This isn't just coturnix either. I've seen all of the breeds that I raise there too ! Complete squalor and people praise them up and down for it. These so called breeders are narrating,giving out advice that's completely wrong with people lappin it right up,thanking them for their vast knowledge and help !
The comments are beyond belief. I just saw one guy ask one of the idiots about how he's got two quail eggs and how he should hatch them. I saw a video titled,"Tennessee Red Bobwhite Quail". It was a cage full of coturnix ! At least a couple people pointed that one out. I see this kid who put a whole bunch of videos on there back in 2010 - 2011 of all the different types,crawling in shit,all ratty and rough,and most of the people were practically begging him to buy eggs and birds ! Some were even crossbred Valleys to Gambel's ! One guy specifically wanted those !! There's a lot more with the overnight experts handing out advice.A lot of it's wrong. People comment on how these peoples' birds look so healthy when they're the rattiest things you'd ever seen.
I had the commenting disabled for my videos just for the reason that I know for sure I'd get some of my old Facebook "buddies" coming on with their wiseass,keyboard tough guy comments. I could let people comment there I guess because it's not as easy to get the boot from YouTube as it is with the Facebook snowflakes,but I just don't want to get into it with those assholes anymore. It's been nice to be away from being stalked under fake profiles from The Three Golden Boys. A few of my friends fill me in on the shit they're still pulling. I just laugh at it now.
This is really weeding out a lot of duds for me. I don't get those bullshit messages from people wanting this and wanting that but know that they never intend to actually buy anything. People call and e mail me now and most are serious,but I do still get a lot of people wanting Bobwhites and coturnix. Those are the people who must get me mixed up with that other Mainely Quail without the hyphen in the name. I've mentioned on numerous occasions about that.
Another thing is that I still do get quite a few people asking me for hatching eggs ! I've written in my posts on there since 2017 I no longer sell quail eggs ! People that are asking me this are people who,for two years, "liked" my posts about it. What do they do ? Do they comprehend what they read at all or do they forget ? Do they just give the posts a like without actually reading them ? I had one regular ask me for two dozen Benson eggs in May ! I've mentioned that they don't start laying in Maine until late June / early July and I hatch every one !
Facebook isn't as private as it's supposed to be either. I've had the commenting turned off there too but once in a while I see a new one pop up. I just got a laugh emoji from the well known nutjob,Kari Peterson on the brief post that I was leaving Facebook. What the hell is she doing following my old page ? She has some serious issues and people sure know it. I'm definitely not the only one. I can still see my old quail page on there but can't post or comment unless I log back in. My personal page is gone.
Yes there are a lot of goddamn fools on YouTube but it still beats the hell outta Facebook !😀 If you want to look at it,click on the link on my old page,or type in Maine-ly Quail - Exotic Quail to avoid most of the coturnix stuff. Don't forget my website. It's www.mainely-quail.com . A lot of categories,new and old videos, and pictures,and posts about birds and nuts. All of my contact info is there. Serious folks only and remember once again - NO HATCHING EGGS !!! NO BOBWHITES OR COTURNIX !!! Thanks.
Well after three years I finally had enough of Facebook and clicked it off,hopefully for good. The ONLY reasons I'd ever consider getting back on would be if my website doesn't generate enough business,along with my ads on Softbills,and various other places to advertise quail,and if good old word of mouth finally dried up. As of now,the demand for the kinds of quail that I raise is through the roof,so it doesn't look like I'll run out of business anytime soon. It's the end of March,2019 and I'm getting calls every week for them. A lot of people don't realize that there's a shortage of them,especially after last season's poor fertility and hatch rate for a ton of old time breeders in the country. These birds aren't something you're going to find this time of year unless someone who has them wants to take advantage of someone who's desperate for them and charges them two or three times what they're worth. That happens now and then with a few Facebook jockeys,mainly The Three Golden Boys who I've written about quite frequently.
More on the subject of Facebook and why I left... where do I begin ? For one,it's a MEGA waste of time belonging to all of the groups on there !!!! Not just the quail groups,but every group I was in. Facebook is a playground for assholes,idiots,crooks,mental cases and con men. It's a place for people who have no life other than there. They live and breathe it. Some are trolls,only on the groups to but in to peoples' conversations and start arguments. In the three years there I've met some of the biggest scumbags I've ever known. Pretty much every one of them was a keyboard tough guy from hundreds or thousands of miles away. They'd mouth off,tell lies,and stir trouble. Every single one who did it to me was nothing but a goddamn wimp who wouldn't even dream of saying that kind of stuff face to face with me ! The Three Golden Boys,Jeff Earl,Jimmie Young,and the few others over the three years would shit their duds if they ever saw me in person stepping toward them.I wouldn't even have to throw a punch.I saw all their profiles. Every one of them is a soft,out of shape wimp.They would be down on their knees,crying,shaking,begging,and pleading with me not to tear their heads off. I'd make them kiss my feet,lick my boots,then tell them to get up off the ground and stop their goddamn crying.Then I'd tear into them with hard fast punches to the body and to the head,leaving them in a heap,knocked out for the count,and then some.Just a good old fashioned ass kicking like guys did back in the day !!
I've honestly had thoughts of taking a couple of three day trips to find a couple of these guys and doing just that. If it wasn't for the law,cops,jail,and all that crap I'd have got a couple of them by now. So before I decide to take the chance and go for it anyway,I just decided to get the hell off of Facebook and try to cool down. I don't need this shit !! Absolutely ridiculous to have to do this to sell my quail !!! And the thing that gets me is that I've done nothing but try to help these clowns !!! I started two of the Golden Boys who knew less than nothing about quail period,one in 2015,and the other in 2016.I kicked myself in the ass for it every day,ever since ! The slimy,sniveling little weasel from Ellenton,Florida had some quail before they did. I sold him some Elegant Quail and maybe some others,and he turned into a real asshole quick ! A sociopath,stalker ! That Earl moron,all I did was give 20 years worth of breeding knowledge to in a year's time,and for my reward,he's telling everybody who'll listen that I'm a goddamn faggot,my birds are inbred,I'm a thief,and need medication ! Jimmie Young sent me money with the understanding that his birds weren't going to be shipped until fall when the weather was plenty cool to ship,and that his birds were pretty near full color and size,which would have been in October to early November. He called and messaged me every single week in August and September to send them. They were still chicks in the brooders !!! I told him a hundred times !!! I couldn't take it anymore,sent his money back with a brief note explaining why,and now he's telling everybody that I'm a liar,just wanted to keep the birds so I could sell them to my friends,and that I'm a punk. He told someone that he bought Benson eggs from me and they were all duds. I never sold him any eggs ! Then he told the guy he got the birds and they were all mangy looking things. I never sent him any birds ! I sent his goddamn money back instead ! Two fucking liars !!
And those are just five of the pieces of shit.The three worst,and the other two,the most recent.Women are the mouthiest. That goddamn fuckin bitch,Kari Peterson,for just one example of the many, who runs one of the four Good Egg,Bad Egg sites is a well known nutjob. Last week I wrote a GOOD review of a reputable quail farm who's been in business for years. She private messaged me and told me to get it off ! I asked her what the problem was. She told me that there are rules and that rules are for adults ! I asked her why she's such a stiffass compared to the administrators of the other groups.She then called me things like Shirley,junior,loser,whiny little crybaby,and other names. Of course I gave it right back to her. Then I went on the other Good Egg Bad Egg sites and gave her a review. Half or better of the people agreed with me about the nut,all having had similar experiences with the bitch.Then of course,the little snowflakes have to chime in and tell me I'm no better than her for calling her names !! Goddamn idiots ! I wouldn't be calling her the names if she didn't get nasty with me for posting a good review of someone's farm ! Facebook seems like one extreme to the other. They're either the mean,rotten,trouble making,mouthy fucking wiseasses,or a poor little snowflake super sensitive,thin skinned wuss,spleeny little soft wimp ! A normal person can't win in the middle of people like them. They're all a bunch of goddamn misfits.
I belong back in my father's day and age when girls were girls and men were men.Back then you'd either sink or swim . Anybody lazy was poor and broke.People weren't soft in those days. I've got no use for sissies. I don't like to see guys in jewelry and sissy clothes. Back in the 40's and 50's if a guy even thought of doing something like wearing a necklace,all the regular guys would make fun of him and rough his ass up so bad that he wouldn't even dare to leave his house. Now all I see are young guys all dolled up in their little polo shirts and Dokkers,with their little pierced ears,texting on their little phones,with their perfectly manicured nails on their soft little fingers. Regular guys back in the day would have a field day with fairies like them ! Two of the "guys" that I didn't know personally,who sent me friend requests that I accepted,only because it showed we had mutual friends in the business,both all of a sudden put up posts.They showed two young guys making out ! Then the assholes said that normal people shouldn't be offended by it.I about threw up in my mouth. I looked at their profiles and saw that they were both "in a domestic partnership" with other guys. Gross ! I unfriended them of course. Then another faggot,Earl Justus,from Texas actually had the balls to try to hit on me a couple times.He kept saying how handsome I am and that if I wanted to come down to Texas,he's a good cook,well to do,and would take good care of me ! I wanted to tell him to fuck off. I told him that I like girls. He kept it up so I blocked him too.
Then there's the freaks covered in tattoos of dragons,demons,skulls,Chinese writing,and ringbolts through their noses,hog rings through their eyebrows,and up the sides of their whole ears. Pierced tongues,nipples,and other places. Back in the day they'd be in the freak parade at the circus. Chicks with tattoos everywhere ! Pure white trash ! Imagine how they're going to be if they ever make it to 80 or better ? Little shriveled up ol' grannies with tit-tats and tramp stamps. It's all over everywhere but it's what Facebook is all about. My guess,maybe 20% decent folks,80% trash.
Man do I miss the 90's !!! Doesn't seem that long ago either. No goddamn internet and plenty of good looking girls with no tattoos ! I'm some glad I don't have any kids.Just think what it's gonna be like in another twenty years ! I wonder if they'll be any bird breeders left.
Already I'm saving at least a couple hours every day to be productive like I used to be before Facebook. I was sitting down a few times throughout the day to check my messages,only to have to explain to a bunch of people that I don't sell hatching eggs for the thousandth time,and don't sell coturnix or Bobwhites. I'm not wasting time explaining the same things to the same dummies over and over like a broken record ! Anybody see that idiot on there who keeps pestering me for Bensons. I won't mention the name but his profile is a guy with a Santa hat on and a big grin on his face. Looks like a fuckin dunce. Asked me over and over how much they cost all summer long. Then when I as ready to start shipping he had no money.Then I sold everything but a few extra hens and he tells me that he'll take two pairs. I told him again that I was sold out of pairs. He kept on. I blocked him but he was still there.Probably Wagner under another fake profile just trying to drive me nuts some more. No more of this shit for me ! Serious people only. If someone can't get my info on my website and e mail me then that means they can't want the quail very bad. This is already weeding out some duds.😀
That's the nickname we gave him because he's a little sniveling crybaby bitch when someone gives it right back to him.The guy sure can dish it out but sure can't take it coming back.
Here's how it all started between the two of us. A few years ago this fuckin prick from Florida called me for some birds. I can't remember which types,either Mearns or Bensons,maybe some of both.Instantly I didn't like him.Lousy personality,not at all friendly.Just a pisspot to talk to. Most folks are pretty friendly when calling about the birds but every once in a while I get one like that.Everything was basically,"How much,how much,how much ?",one of those guys where it's all about,"What can you do for me ?".That's the type who's all about the buck and nothing else. A guy like that,when you give a good deal,wants a better one. After I got off the phone with him I remember shaking my head,taking a deep breath and saying to myself,"Man was that guy an asshole or what ?"
Anyway,I was new to this Facebook crap and the whole internet thing and around that time I had a couple others that were about the same. I never used to get people quite like them during the old Game Bird Gazette days.Sure in any business you'll run into an asshole or a character once in a while,but with Facebook I got a crash course in the new generation of shitbag hustlers !
I can't recall how many dealings I had with him. I talked briefly with him a handful of times just answering his rapid fire questions and dictating to me how to ship and what to write on the box when I send his birds,as if it was my first time ever sending any. Again I really already hated this dick.He was getting under my skin fast.
I sent his birds. The Express Mail label said delivery would on the second day by 3:00 PM. Maine to Florida.Approximately 1700 miles.Well,as happens now and then the birds arrived the morning after that.Yes a tad late but the birds were fine. He e mailed me,"I want my money,I want my money,I want my money !!",basically screaming and crying for me to get the Postage refund for being a few hours late. Well by that time,like I said,I had it with him and that's all it took for me to snap and tell him off. I told him something along the line of to calm his ass down and quit being such a goddamn cheapskate ! I told him that I've been shipping birds and have had birds shipped to me for a lot of years from all over and if we all went to collect the refund every single time then the Post Office would stop all shipping of birds altogether. I've been hearing for years that the Post Office doesn't really want anything to do with sending live birds and that it won't take much to make them stop.
Well that's when the shit hit the fan.He sent me an e mail telling me that he holds a grudge and he's gonna haunt me not just for then but for years to come.That was the one time he told the truth.
So immediately it started. He went on the Softbills site and put an ad on pretending to be me. It read something like,Hi,this is Scott O'Schmuck from Maine and I'm having a breeder's liquidation sale. Mountain Quail,$40pr.,Bensons,$30pr.,Mearns,$100pr. ..... He went on saying that the reason I'm selling is because I'm senile and inbred and that my birds are all second quality..... . A whole line of shit like that. I couldn't believe it but people actually started calling me on it. Quite a few actually.Most knew it was some kind of a joke.Only a couple of halfwits took it seriously ! Well that only backfired on Derek because I explained to all of those people who he is,our dealings,and what kind of guy he is.Pretty much all of them told me that they'd definitely put him down as someone not to do business with.He had an ad on Softbills himself at the time. I reported him for doing that and he got the boot. Later he crept back on under a different name,"Ellenton Elegants". He's good with making up names and fake profiles. More on that in a bit. He also started the same thing,telling lies about me on Matt Pitchford's Google site,"Quail Enthusiasts". Matt threw him off. So far,Scott 2,Derek 0. It only made him madder. He's lied about me about everywhere to anyone dumb enough to listen. He even went on my Facebook page,Maine-ly Quail wising off and starting trouble. I blocked his ass.
A year later I got a call from a woman from Florida.She wanted to buy some Mearns Quail.I told her I had some. She told me she had a few but it was a total disaster.I sent her down three pair.When they arrived she called me.I'll never forget it. She said,"Mr O'Brien,what are these ? !" I replied,"Mearns Quail." She said,"Oh my God,these are BEAUTIFUL !!!" "These are nothing like the ones I have !!" She didn't even think they were the same species !! I told her to send me a picture of hers. She did and I told her that yes they are Mearns but pretty piss poor specimens. She was carrying on about how nice and big,and plump,and shiny mine were ! I asked her who the hell she got her others from. She told me Derek Wagner,and the whole story of the ordeal.
She told me that she contacted him because she saw his ad somewhere and wanted to go to his place and buy some. He said,"No no,I'll meet you somewhere...".Probably ashamed of his slum farm. She ended up meeting him half way on a hot 100 degree Florida day. He had the birds in the back of his truck in little tiny cardboard boxes with no air holes. They did the transaction.She put them in her air conditioned car but by the time she got home it was already too late. There were a few already dead,and more that keeled over not long after from heat stroke. She only ended up with a few left. She called him and told him about it. He got mad at her and told her it was all her fault and wouldn't make good for any of it !
Around that time he was still stirring some shit with me so I told the woman that I was going to write a post on my Facebook page about him. I told her that I wouldn't mention her name or anything.She said,"No,by all means mention my name and give my phone number !" "I want to let people know just what kind of guy he is !" I asked her if she was sure and she told me absolutely. Well I wrote a good post about the little worm and our experiences with him. Shit hit the fan again. Somehow he got a few of his loyal conned flunkies to give me some shit on my page in the comments.I was on there telling it like it is and they wouldn't have any of it.One was a 350 pound plus lummox religious fanatic who private messaged me trying to explain about God and the bible,how to be..... . I pretty much told him he's talking to the wrong guy.He kept it up and I told him he'd be going to meet his maker soon if he didn't lay off the cheeseburgers.He kept on and on and I put him in his place as much as possible. There's no convincing their kind anyway.
Well Whaah Whaah was wild !! He called Michelle all that day and sent her SEVENTEEN e mails about the things he's going to do to her and of course called her every name in the book. He's known to threaten women. He's done it to a friend of mine and I've heard others if things don't go his way. When he screws someone and the people complain then he tells them off and how it's all their fault,and if it's a woman he usually threatens them it seems. Somehow he got on my page and started mouthing off to me. This guy's just like his nut buddy in Michigan.Mouthiest bastards you could ever meet. I swear they must practice the art of it to be so goddamn mouthy ! I guess it's from a lifetime of having to bail themselves out of a lot of scrapes by telling people off and such. So he started in with me. I told him that I'm coming for him and am gonna tear his fuckin head off !! Well he thinks nothing of threatening women but when a guy comes back at him he calls the cops !!! What a pussy !!!!!😂 He called the local county sheriff here in Maine on me from Florida,1700 miles away !!!!!!😂😂😂WOW !!! What a goddamn little pansy !!!!!! Things slowly quieted down for a bit but I'd hear things now and then about him and his lies.... No big deal.He's a scumbag and surely won't hurt my reputation.
The latest one is how he's been stalking my Facebook profile and ten of my other Facebook "bird friends" profiles.He made up a fake profile just like Ohio Joe does.This one was named "George Underwood". Sent me a friend request one time and talked birds just a little,asking me about Bensons and about another guy in Kansas,I don't remember just everything. So I wrote a post maybe a few months ago about Sal Alvarez,the con man from California,and "Underwood" came on and started to ask questions just like the way Wagner used to,but trying to be more polite. He started to ask me about why I keep bringing up The Three Golden Boys and said that I oughtta drop it because it was a long time since I had any trouble with any of them,and that I should just focus on the birds.He said he's just an old man who wanted to learn about quail and wanted to learn from me and my vast knowledge,and all that bullshit.... Well it wasn't two years since the Golden Boys gave me any trouble.It's all the time. That's why I keep bringing them up.If it was two years old I'd let it go. Anyway the conversation started to get heated and he showed his colors.I told him and everybody looking at the post that this is no Underwood,it's Derek Wagner under another fake profile.I busted him and he started wising off again.I tried to block him. I couldn't. The bastard wouldn't go away. I looked at the profile and reported it. It was gone the next day.
The guy is such an insecure,sneaky little weasel that he has to make up fake profiles to stalk other breeders to see what they're raising,how many,what they're selling.... . His whole life is lying,sneaking,mouthing off,and screwing people. He is one piss poor example of a man. He's a coward's coward. Another one he just pulled,just like Ohio Joe pulled on me this year is having someone order some Bensons from me,sending them to their address instead of his of course. He was bragging to his Golden Boy buddy Keith about it,sending him pictures of the boxes I sent. They have to sneak like that because no other real breeders like the assholes and won't sell them anything.
Little by little we're getting to him. I know two people in Florida with great reputations that can't stand the guy will take every bit of any local business of his. I set them up in Mearns,Mountain,and Benson breeding. They're doing a great job,built really nice pens and have some nice stock. A ton of Facebook followers and one sells tons of Bobwhites to local shooting preserves. I clicked off of all the Facebook dummy sites over a year ago but Shawn's still on a few for some Bobwhite business. He saw some idiot recommend Wagner for Mearns. Right after the comment Shawn posted my website address😂😂.Wagner probably shit his duds. Then the little shyster was on there advertising Gambel's eggs for $2.50 each. I told Shawn to put up right by his post that for Valley,Gambel's,Scaled,Tennessee Red,and Northern Bobwhite eggs,to contact Forest Hills Game Bird Farm in Liberty Kentucky for them. Great farm and people.Fair prices. Gambel's eggs are 25 for $35, 50 for $52,and they even sell lots of 100 and more. I'll bet the puke had a stroke when he saw that !😂😂 He pulled the post down quick !
For those of you who aren't familiar with him,he's an egg hustler on ebay.He goes by the name Fisher on there. People complain about the dud,dirty eggs. He sent a friend of mine in West Virginia some eggs which were supposed to be Bensons. Only one out of a dozen hatched. It turned out to be a coturnix. One guy was on one of the Good Egg / Bad Egg sites saying that he sent him $175 and never got a thing from him.The guy has bad reviews but not enough. Like I've said before,not enough people have the balls to speak up for themselves when they get the shaft. I've never heard one good word about him and from my dealings with him it sure doesn't surprise me. So damn many people tell me about getting screwed by him but when I mention to them about speaking up for themselves,they cower and disappear.
Well there it is,and there's plenty I left out too. Don't say I didn't warn ya ! I've had to give out a good bunch of "I told ya so's" about him and his buddies.
I'm Scott O'Brien, proprietor of Mainely Quail. I've been raising quail for 20+ years and have lots of stories. I tell it like it is, and don't hold back.